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	<title>Comments on: The Rumpus Long Interview with Bill Ayers</title>
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		<title>By: Amstutz</title>
		<link>http://therumpus.net/2009/02/the-unrepentant-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-1235</link>
		<dc:creator>Amstutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great interview, smart man. Who is this Jenny Witt though? Was this a co-interview?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great interview, smart man. Who is this Jenny Witt though? Was this a co-interview?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Dimitrov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Dimitrov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great interview Scott. I like that you didn&#039;t suck up. I think that Ayers may suffer from some of the &quot;mythogology&quot; that has built up around him. 

I think that Ayers makes a lot of good ol&#039; idealistic points. Regardless of how unaware of the world they are, I still resonate with them. 

People are materialistic becuase we are wired hunter/gatherers. The better you are at hunting and gathering the more (generally positive) attention and admiration you get from other people, particularly the opposite sex. To remove this requires repressing an innate drive, something most people are against (it makes them misserable). Add the reinforcing effect of capitalism, rewarding skill in acquisition and consumption and the painting is complete. The outdated idea that simply viewing our behavior in a philospohical light (for those who are capable) will cause us to use less is very naive. If you want to cause a cultural shift (yes consumption is part of our culture) we need a politico-philospohical system that supports it. 

Yes, and how many of us if we worked 3 days a week would actively participate in &quot;...social action and the arts...&quot;? I know there would be plenty of recreation and sports. What would we do when the rest of the world didn&#039;t match us and was able to develop the trillion dollar military that we could no longer afford?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great interview Scott. I like that you didn&#8217;t suck up. I think that Ayers may suffer from some of the &#8220;mythogology&#8221; that has built up around him. </p>
<p>I think that Ayers makes a lot of good ol&#8217; idealistic points. Regardless of how unaware of the world they are, I still resonate with them. </p>
<p>People are materialistic becuase we are wired hunter/gatherers. The better you are at hunting and gathering the more (generally positive) attention and admiration you get from other people, particularly the opposite sex. To remove this requires repressing an innate drive, something most people are against (it makes them misserable). Add the reinforcing effect of capitalism, rewarding skill in acquisition and consumption and the painting is complete. The outdated idea that simply viewing our behavior in a philospohical light (for those who are capable) will cause us to use less is very naive. If you want to cause a cultural shift (yes consumption is part of our culture) we need a politico-philospohical system that supports it. </p>
<p>Yes, and how many of us if we worked 3 days a week would actively participate in &#8220;&#8230;social action and the arts&#8230;&#8221;? I know there would be plenty of recreation and sports. What would we do when the rest of the world didn&#8217;t match us and was able to develop the trillion dollar military that we could no longer afford?</p>
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		<title>By: Blair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to know more about this man!  He touched on consumerism, and I believe that if any good comes out of this recession, it&#039;s that people will realize the futility of buying shit to fulfill their happiness.  They&#039;re repairing things, not throwing them away, and seeing the value in what you have.  Once you&#039;ve discovered that little kernel of truth, I think the lust for goods will wane.  Unrelenting economic growth, accumulation, and expansion are the treacherous roots of greed, violence, and environmental destruction.  Isn&#039;t this what we&#039;re missing?  That we simply do not have infinite resources? Ayer&#039;s is right-on. &quot;More, more, more&quot; is erroneously seen as good, great, better. Eighty hour work week? Yes, good job. 500 billion in fundraising?  Yep, that&#039;s what it takes now. It is impossible to continue like this.  We need activists for an equilibrium: economic, social, and environmental sustainability.

I somewhat disagree over the disparagement of Obama&#039;s fundraising.  It was grossly excessive, but it was easily accomplished because people were so fed up and were doing everything they could (committing time, money, and yes, also voting).  Could he have been elected with half as much money? yes. a tenth as much?  I think so. If not, it&#039;s a compromise I&#039;m willing to take so we can move forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to know more about this man!  He touched on consumerism, and I believe that if any good comes out of this recession, it&#8217;s that people will realize the futility of buying shit to fulfill their happiness.  They&#8217;re repairing things, not throwing them away, and seeing the value in what you have.  Once you&#8217;ve discovered that little kernel of truth, I think the lust for goods will wane.  Unrelenting economic growth, accumulation, and expansion are the treacherous roots of greed, violence, and environmental destruction.  Isn&#8217;t this what we&#8217;re missing?  That we simply do not have infinite resources? Ayer&#8217;s is right-on. &#8220;More, more, more&#8221; is erroneously seen as good, great, better. Eighty hour work week? Yes, good job. 500 billion in fundraising?  Yep, that&#8217;s what it takes now. It is impossible to continue like this.  We need activists for an equilibrium: economic, social, and environmental sustainability.</p>
<p>I somewhat disagree over the disparagement of Obama&#8217;s fundraising.  It was grossly excessive, but it was easily accomplished because people were so fed up and were doing everything they could (committing time, money, and yes, also voting).  Could he have been elected with half as much money? yes. a tenth as much?  I think so. If not, it&#8217;s a compromise I&#8217;m willing to take so we can move forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://therumpus.net/2009/02/the-unrepentant-terrorist/comment-page-1/#comment-1091</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 16:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does Ayers think of activists today?  Are their efforts effective?  He denounces the cost of the election but I would believe he supports the election of Obama. How else would he propose that in today&#039;s climate activists can affect change?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does Ayers think of activists today?  Are their efforts effective?  He denounces the cost of the election but I would believe he supports the election of Obama. How else would he propose that in today&#8217;s climate activists can affect change?</p>
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		<title>By: Rajeev Dhar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajeev Dhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ayers reminds me of Captain Hook.</description>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 18:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic interview, Scott!</description>
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