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		<title>By: Tam</title>
		<link>http://therumpus.net/2009/05/i-want-you-to-want-me/comment-page-1/#comment-239866</link>
		<dc:creator>Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 21:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a spectacular article. I like all the questions it raised and the surprise real-life interaction at the end. I&#039;m wondering at the time frame, I think you say a couple of months, between when he responded to you online and saw you in person. Would he not have remembered your picture/profile? 

Maura, I like what you say about privacy, especially regarding memoirs. I have wondered if there should be more consent forms or laws required, and it&#039;s not just family secrets. My sister had planned to write a sort of history of our family/memoir about my dad, mostly. There wasn&#039;t really a huge horrible secret to be exposed, it was more along the lines of there are just things about my past I don&#039;t openly share with people, especially strangers. If the book had been published then any stranger with google access could read my entire life history and make judgments about me without my knowledge or consent. And she wasn&#039;t saying anything libelous so there was really no way I could prevent it from being published. Thankfully she never found a publisher and (I hope) has discarded her plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a spectacular article. I like all the questions it raised and the surprise real-life interaction at the end. I&#8217;m wondering at the time frame, I think you say a couple of months, between when he responded to you online and saw you in person. Would he not have remembered your picture/profile? </p>
<p>Maura, I like what you say about privacy, especially regarding memoirs. I have wondered if there should be more consent forms or laws required, and it&#8217;s not just family secrets. My sister had planned to write a sort of history of our family/memoir about my dad, mostly. There wasn&#8217;t really a huge horrible secret to be exposed, it was more along the lines of there are just things about my past I don&#8217;t openly share with people, especially strangers. If the book had been published then any stranger with google access could read my entire life history and make judgments about me without my knowledge or consent. And she wasn&#8217;t saying anything libelous so there was really no way I could prevent it from being published. Thankfully she never found a publisher and (I hope) has discarded her plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Maura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the article because it brings up the debate about privacy issues, which haven&#039;t started with the internet, just made matters worse. It&#039;s like celebrities being photographed when they&#039;re in their sweats, and it gets sold to gossip mags. Or someone writing a memoir about their life, and exposing family secrets. Where does the line get drawn- not to interfere in someone else&#039;s life? Everyday that line gets blurred with more technology advances(not everybody wants to be &quot;connected&quot; in this online way). I happen to think we should get consent first before exposing personal information to the public. I think she should have gotten his approval before getting the article published, but at least she emailed him a copy, and he seemed to be o.k. with it (Maybe because it had to do with his public art work; bad publicity = good publicity?). In general, it&#039;s to be expected that someone might break the code of ethics and interfere with someone&#039;s personal info. Our society tends to view these people as disrespectful, but we are humans afterall, not perfect- and we all want to know how other humans live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the article because it brings up the debate about privacy issues, which haven&#8217;t started with the internet, just made matters worse. It&#8217;s like celebrities being photographed when they&#8217;re in their sweats, and it gets sold to gossip mags. Or someone writing a memoir about their life, and exposing family secrets. Where does the line get drawn- not to interfere in someone else&#8217;s life? Everyday that line gets blurred with more technology advances(not everybody wants to be &#8220;connected&#8221; in this online way). I happen to think we should get consent first before exposing personal information to the public. I think she should have gotten his approval before getting the article published, but at least she emailed him a copy, and he seemed to be o.k. with it (Maybe because it had to do with his public art work; bad publicity = good publicity?). In general, it&#8217;s to be expected that someone might break the code of ethics and interfere with someone&#8217;s personal info. Our society tends to view these people as disrespectful, but we are humans afterall, not perfect- and we all want to know how other humans live.</p>
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		<title>By: Ajit</title>
		<link>http://therumpus.net/2009/05/i-want-you-to-want-me/comment-page-1/#comment-3529</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good piece -- it exposes some internet conundrums well.  But it makes me reach a different place than where Nell -- and most of the commenters -- appear to have reached.

Internet facilitates prying into people&#039;s private lives.  Based on a few fundamental tenets such as freedom of expression, we generally agree on how much prying -- and telling -- should be legally permitted.  But independent of the legality of an act are the personal ethics of it.  Most people prefer their personal lives to remain private -- even if modern technology makes some of it available for others to pry into and expose.  Collating such data into an anonymous database is fine, but exposing an individual without his/her permission -- even if it&#039;s legal -- shouldn&#039;t be done.  That&#039;s the ethics of it; that&#039;s being gracious to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good piece &#8212; it exposes some internet conundrums well.  But it makes me reach a different place than where Nell &#8212; and most of the commenters &#8212; appear to have reached.</p>
<p>Internet facilitates prying into people&#8217;s private lives.  Based on a few fundamental tenets such as freedom of expression, we generally agree on how much prying &#8212; and telling &#8212; should be legally permitted.  But independent of the legality of an act are the personal ethics of it.  Most people prefer their personal lives to remain private &#8212; even if modern technology makes some of it available for others to pry into and expose.  Collating such data into an anonymous database is fine, but exposing an individual without his/her permission &#8212; even if it&#8217;s legal &#8212; shouldn&#8217;t be done.  That&#8217;s the ethics of it; that&#8217;s being gracious to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great piece. I was just having some parallel thoughts this weekend after visiting the New Museum and seeing a piece (don&#039;t remember the artist, but, ah, it&#039;s on floor 2) that repurposed MySpace video welcome messages. I wonder how long it will take before taking internet media out of context will no longer seem novel. We&#039;re already there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great piece. I was just having some parallel thoughts this weekend after visiting the New Museum and seeing a piece (don&#8217;t remember the artist, but, ah, it&#8217;s on floor 2) that repurposed MySpace video welcome messages. I wonder how long it will take before taking internet media out of context will no longer seem novel. We&#8217;re already there?</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 15:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice piece, well-written and honest.  Jonathan deserves to have the tables turned on him.  You reveal a great deal about yourself in your work, some of it not especially flattering.  Jonathan, on the other hand, reveals next to nothing.  Personally, I think his piece entitled, &quot;I Want You to Want Me&quot; is so...DEAD to others, whose actual photos, identities, and feelings he yanks out of context and reveals to thousands of museum-goers, that he is a sociopath.  He is USING them to further his own ends, which he calls &quot;art&quot; and which he believes may even have &quot;sociological&quot; importance. (Wink.) HE&#039;S a passive monster--so you probably don&#039;t have to worry about your safety.  But he may make someone out in the world irate enough to harm HIM if they discover how he has used and exposed them.  

G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice piece, well-written and honest.  Jonathan deserves to have the tables turned on him.  You reveal a great deal about yourself in your work, some of it not especially flattering.  Jonathan, on the other hand, reveals next to nothing.  Personally, I think his piece entitled, &#8220;I Want You to Want Me&#8221; is so&#8230;DEAD to others, whose actual photos, identities, and feelings he yanks out of context and reveals to thousands of museum-goers, that he is a sociopath.  He is USING them to further his own ends, which he calls &#8220;art&#8221; and which he believes may even have &#8220;sociological&#8221; importance. (Wink.) HE&#8217;S a passive monster&#8211;so you probably don&#8217;t have to worry about your safety.  But he may make someone out in the world irate enough to harm HIM if they discover how he has used and exposed them.  </p>
<p>G</p>
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		<title>By: katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this essay three times, I liked it so much. I&#039;ve festered for awhile about how to think of myself and my space online vs. in the breathing world. Your essay reminds me that, online, I am voyeur, confessor, publisher, perhaps even persecutor, sometimes within a five minute period.  

The uncanny intersections in your story feel like hyperlinks; it is a small world online too. I appreciate that you chose not to interact with JH when he first stepped into your breathing world. And I love that you did end up sharing your story with him--whether he deserved to be &quot;unpleasantly surprised&quot; or not doesn&#039;t seem to be the question to me. I think you are creating boundaries with your own art that feel respectful to you, and trustworthy to me. Thanks for this--I look forward to more, more, more of your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this essay three times, I liked it so much. I&#8217;ve festered for awhile about how to think of myself and my space online vs. in the breathing world. Your essay reminds me that, online, I am voyeur, confessor, publisher, perhaps even persecutor, sometimes within a five minute period.  </p>
<p>The uncanny intersections in your story feel like hyperlinks; it is a small world online too. I appreciate that you chose not to interact with JH when he first stepped into your breathing world. And I love that you did end up sharing your story with him&#8211;whether he deserved to be &#8220;unpleasantly surprised&#8221; or not doesn&#8217;t seem to be the question to me. I think you are creating boundaries with your own art that feel respectful to you, and trustworthy to me. Thanks for this&#8211;I look forward to more, more, more of your work.</p>
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		<title>By: rachael</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 17:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just want to set the record straight, dc.  

Armchair anthropology is something that is practiced from afar, and which results in the complete objectification of the subject based on gross generalizations.  To spell it out, armchair is a metaphor, used to signify the fact that armchair &#039;anthropologists&#039; avoid engaging directly with their subjects and instead assess &#039;other&#039; cultures through hearsay. Armchair anthropology is &quot;facile&quot; by nature, and (as it dates back to the 17th century) is no longer practiced.  I would say that the work of Jonathan Harris is very much a modern revival of armchair anthropology--he is collecting information without engaging directly with his subjects (replace armchair with laptop), later applying his data to a preconceived framework that is built of his personal ideas regarding online dating culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to set the record straight, dc.  </p>
<p>Armchair anthropology is something that is practiced from afar, and which results in the complete objectification of the subject based on gross generalizations.  To spell it out, armchair is a metaphor, used to signify the fact that armchair &#8216;anthropologists&#8217; avoid engaging directly with their subjects and instead assess &#8216;other&#8217; cultures through hearsay. Armchair anthropology is &#8220;facile&#8221; by nature, and (as it dates back to the 17th century) is no longer practiced.  I would say that the work of Jonathan Harris is very much a modern revival of armchair anthropology&#8211;he is collecting information without engaging directly with his subjects (replace armchair with laptop), later applying his data to a preconceived framework that is built of his personal ideas regarding online dating culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 13:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Charlottesville, VA.  About a year ago (more/less?) a co-worker mentioned the &quot;Nell&#039;s Gone&quot; blog to me.  We read through a lot of it with a shocked / creeped-out but couldn&#039;t-stop-reading fascination.  Calling the guy&#039;s parent&#039;s was a brilliant idea - there are social forces at work infinitely more powerful than The Law.  Anyway, Cville isn&#039;t big - we were probably at the Mudhouse at the same time at some point - which, I guess, is somewhat the point of your essay: it&#039;s a small internet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Charlottesville, VA.  About a year ago (more/less?) a co-worker mentioned the &#8220;Nell&#8217;s Gone&#8221; blog to me.  We read through a lot of it with a shocked / creeped-out but couldn&#8217;t-stop-reading fascination.  Calling the guy&#8217;s parent&#8217;s was a brilliant idea &#8211; there are social forces at work infinitely more powerful than The Law.  Anyway, Cville isn&#8217;t big &#8211; we were probably at the Mudhouse at the same time at some point &#8211; which, I guess, is somewhat the point of your essay: it&#8217;s a small internet.</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 02:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not armchair anthropology, it&#039;s sociological data collection from commercial sources. Anthropologists gather complex qualitative data gained from long term, in person discussion and observation. And they have no-harm to the subject oriented ethics about both collection and use of that data that would never ever allow for something as facile and reductive as this work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not armchair anthropology, it&#8217;s sociological data collection from commercial sources. Anthropologists gather complex qualitative data gained from long term, in person discussion and observation. And they have no-harm to the subject oriented ethics about both collection and use of that data that would never ever allow for something as facile and reductive as this work.</p>
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		<title>By: Christie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 19:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nell,
I read this a few days ago actually and am still thinking about it. I&#039;m not sure I have a problem with the privacy implications of Jonathan&#039;s work -- I guess that I do feel like social networks or blogs or dating sites are legitimate places for artistic exploration. I think the potential that someone might have their personal information briefly displayed isn&#039;t enough to deter me. I&#039;m really curious about whether Jonathan created his own profile just for the project...

Reading your description of how you started to imagine Jonathan as an ideal partner was really intense for me. It&#039;s so easy to encounter someone online, and from just the tiniest threads of a personality to start filling out the rest. Plus, we&#039;ve all become pretty expert at portraying ourselves online, creating our own little personal brands, even if we don&#039;t mean to. Even the negatives (I&#039;m such a nerd!) start to feel like the old interview line &quot;I would say my biggest weakness is that sometimes I work too hard.&quot; I mean, we do all these things in real life too, but I think the internet has made it so easy for completely unintentional deception and self-delusion.

I think I really like the article because it seems to be both about this idea and also defying it, because you&#039;re sharing things from your life that are embarrassing in a way that people try to avoid. I mean, like, actually embarrassing maybe? Anyway, lots to think about and lots to relate to and I really love it. Thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nell,<br />
I read this a few days ago actually and am still thinking about it. I&#8217;m not sure I have a problem with the privacy implications of Jonathan&#8217;s work &#8212; I guess that I do feel like social networks or blogs or dating sites are legitimate places for artistic exploration. I think the potential that someone might have their personal information briefly displayed isn&#8217;t enough to deter me. I&#8217;m really curious about whether Jonathan created his own profile just for the project&#8230;</p>
<p>Reading your description of how you started to imagine Jonathan as an ideal partner was really intense for me. It&#8217;s so easy to encounter someone online, and from just the tiniest threads of a personality to start filling out the rest. Plus, we&#8217;ve all become pretty expert at portraying ourselves online, creating our own little personal brands, even if we don&#8217;t mean to. Even the negatives (I&#8217;m such a nerd!) start to feel like the old interview line &#8220;I would say my biggest weakness is that sometimes I work too hard.&#8221; I mean, we do all these things in real life too, but I think the internet has made it so easy for completely unintentional deception and self-delusion.</p>
<p>I think I really like the article because it seems to be both about this idea and also defying it, because you&#8217;re sharing things from your life that are embarrassing in a way that people try to avoid. I mean, like, actually embarrassing maybe? Anyway, lots to think about and lots to relate to and I really love it. Thanks for sharing.</p>
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