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	<title>Comments on: How To Write Sex Scenes: The 12-Step Program</title>
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		<title>By: Megan Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megan Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2012 02:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, I really don&#039;t mean to be rude, I enjoy this piece, but I have a slight problem with step five.
&quot;Step 5

Real people do not talk in porn clichés

They do not say: “Give it to me, big boy.”
They do not say: “Suck it baby. That’s right, all the way down.”
They do not say: “Yes, deeper, harder deeper! Oh baby, oh Christ yes!”
At least, they do not say these things to me.&quot;

My boyfriend and I say these kinds of things (along with copious &quot;I love you&#039;s; and profanities), not on purpose, just an in the moment thing.  Just because no one says these things to you doesn&#039;t mean no body says them.  C&#039;mon, they&#039;re cliches for a reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I really don&#8217;t mean to be rude, I enjoy this piece, but I have a slight problem with step five.<br />
&#8220;Step 5</p>
<p>Real people do not talk in porn clichés</p>
<p>They do not say: “Give it to me, big boy.”<br />
They do not say: “Suck it baby. That’s right, all the way down.”<br />
They do not say: “Yes, deeper, harder deeper! Oh baby, oh Christ yes!”<br />
At least, they do not say these things to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>My boyfriend and I say these kinds of things (along with copious &#8220;I love you&#8217;s; and profanities), not on purpose, just an in the moment thing.  Just because no one says these things to you doesn&#8217;t mean no body says them.  C&#8217;mon, they&#8217;re cliches for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 03:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Kendra: Isn&#039;t the notion that all it takes is one thrust from any warm and rigid penis to make a woman come more sexist than the concept that a pair of people engaged in the act may actually have to work to get each other off? As a woman who is in no way the type to cowtow to chauvanist prigs, I read this article and laughed out loud. Then I read your comment and sighed heavily, knowing that women who lack any sense of humor about themselves or others and believe that any type of joke about sexuality is a personal attack on women, is why all the comedy is left to the &quot;heteronormative males&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kendra: Isn&#8217;t the notion that all it takes is one thrust from any warm and rigid penis to make a woman come more sexist than the concept that a pair of people engaged in the act may actually have to work to get each other off? As a woman who is in no way the type to cowtow to chauvanist prigs, I read this article and laughed out loud. Then I read your comment and sighed heavily, knowing that women who lack any sense of humor about themselves or others and believe that any type of joke about sexuality is a personal attack on women, is why all the comedy is left to the &#8220;heteronormative males&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2010 04:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow that helped a lot, thank you! I needed some advice on my writings and that was really what i needed!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow that helped a lot, thank you! I needed some advice on my writings and that was really what i needed!!</p>
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		<title>By: Andi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was really helpful, of course ever since I saw your reading at the University of Idaho I&#039;ve taken your writing as like the bible. I really like your writing style. I actually wrote my Imitation essay imitation &quot;Candy Freak&quot;. Thanks for the great writing advice all around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was really helpful, of course ever since I saw your reading at the University of Idaho I&#8217;ve taken your writing as like the bible. I really like your writing style. I actually wrote my Imitation essay imitation &#8220;Candy Freak&#8221;. Thanks for the great writing advice all around.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Ferrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Ferrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had 12 orgasms while reading this, and then I had a 13th, bonus one.

May I be bold enough to suggest a 14th rule: Never name a character &quot;Vans Deferens.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had 12 orgasms while reading this, and then I had a 13th, bonus one.</p>
<p>May I be bold enough to suggest a 14th rule: Never name a character &#8220;Vans Deferens.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Hardy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone who reads dozens if not hundreds of sex manuscripts every year:

Yes on #3. In spades. I keep a running list of Bad Genital Euphemisms, which I will not reproduce here out of respect for the creators thereof  -- but suffice it to say that a) they&#039;re appalling and b) nothing will make me chuck a manuscript in the general direction of a trash can faster.

No on #10. It&#039;s OK if you&#039;re aroused during the first draft, but if you&#039;re still aroused by the third or fourth, your internal editor is living in the wrong part of your body. In fact, I&#039;d change #10 to read: If it still turns you on, you haven&#039;t been working on it long enough.

And an addition, which you hint at but don&#039;t say explicitly: Step 14. If it doesn&#039;t terrify you to write, you&#039;re not digging deep enough. (That&#039;s actually true of all personal writing, not just sex writing -- but it&#039;s especially true of sex writing.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who reads dozens if not hundreds of sex manuscripts every year:</p>
<p>Yes on #3. In spades. I keep a running list of Bad Genital Euphemisms, which I will not reproduce here out of respect for the creators thereof  &#8212; but suffice it to say that a) they&#8217;re appalling and b) nothing will make me chuck a manuscript in the general direction of a trash can faster.</p>
<p>No on #10. It&#8217;s OK if you&#8217;re aroused during the first draft, but if you&#8217;re still aroused by the third or fourth, your internal editor is living in the wrong part of your body. In fact, I&#8217;d change #10 to read: If it still turns you on, you haven&#8217;t been working on it long enough.</p>
<p>And an addition, which you hint at but don&#8217;t say explicitly: Step 14. If it doesn&#8217;t terrify you to write, you&#8217;re not digging deep enough. (That&#8217;s actually true of all personal writing, not just sex writing &#8212; but it&#8217;s especially true of sex writing.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve Almond is hilarious. Def read his essay collection. And Stephen Elliott, why does it always have to be about money? With that said, I will also donate a $1 to The Rumpus to create the Print function.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Almond is hilarious. Def read his essay collection. And Stephen Elliott, why does it always have to be about money? With that said, I will also donate a $1 to The Rumpus to create the Print function.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Spears</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Spears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kendra,
I think what Steve was getting at was that in much &quot;erotic&quot; writing (i.e. Penthouse Letters and the like), women are generally depicted as being ready to explode at the merest touch of the penis, which is generally untrue. It&#039;s also generally untrue of men. So when Steve says &quot;it takes a long time to make a woman come,&quot; he&#039;s resisting the male fantasy tradition that all it takes is a guy getting his rod out, jamming into a woman, and she&#039;s immediately in the throes of continuous orgasm. How is that sexist, latent or otherwise?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kendra,<br />
I think what Steve was getting at was that in much &#8220;erotic&#8221; writing (i.e. Penthouse Letters and the like), women are generally depicted as being ready to explode at the merest touch of the penis, which is generally untrue. It&#8217;s also generally untrue of men. So when Steve says &#8220;it takes a long time to make a woman come,&#8221; he&#8217;s resisting the male fantasy tradition that all it takes is a guy getting his rod out, jamming into a woman, and she&#8217;s immediately in the throes of continuous orgasm. How is that sexist, latent or otherwise?</p>
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		<title>By: kendra grant malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>kendra grant malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 05:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a lot of these steps really irritated me- the only worth noting was step 9, &quot;It takes a long time to make a woman come.&quot;

according to whom? the man who wrote this article? its opinions like this, expressed like this, from a male about a woman&#039;s sexuality, as if it were fact, that are annoying. the author of this may not announce his orgasms, nor the women he fucks, but this generalization is really stupid. joke or not, i think most people can agree or at least recognize that most sexism is latent and this is a lovely example of just that. a man using his own experience to describe a woman&#039;s orgasmic capacity as if it were a biological fact. as a woman, this is annoying to see on a website i frequently relate to and trust.

this column was just another example of boring heteronormative male middle american sexuality that media is already flooded with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a lot of these steps really irritated me- the only worth noting was step 9, &#8220;It takes a long time to make a woman come.&#8221;</p>
<p>according to whom? the man who wrote this article? its opinions like this, expressed like this, from a male about a woman&#8217;s sexuality, as if it were fact, that are annoying. the author of this may not announce his orgasms, nor the women he fucks, but this generalization is really stupid. joke or not, i think most people can agree or at least recognize that most sexism is latent and this is a lovely example of just that. a man using his own experience to describe a woman&#8217;s orgasmic capacity as if it were a biological fact. as a woman, this is annoying to see on a website i frequently relate to and trust.</p>
<p>this column was just another example of boring heteronormative male middle american sexuality that media is already flooded with.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t love The Fermata, but maybe I would like it if I read it today. Human Smoke is one of my favorite books.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t love The Fermata, but maybe I would like it if I read it today. Human Smoke is one of my favorite books.</p>
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