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		<title>By: Christen Clifford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christen Clifford</dc:creator>
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		<description>Always interested hearing thoughts on where I lived for 15 years, and how the perception of the neighborhood changes over the years and depending which direction you take. But I agree with Richard and Rob.  And I can&#039;t help sharing my take on it: I wrote this about Williamsburg a few years ago, when I moved to Jackson Heights b/c I couldn&#039;t afford W&#039;Burg anymore. I Love The Rumpus.

WHY I DON&#039;T WANT TO LEAVE WHERE I LIVE 
(with apologies to Harry Crews) 


I can walk out of my house, take a right, walk half a block, take another right, walk four blocks and I’m on the L train.  If I need anything on the way, I pass the wheatgrass juice joint, the video store run by an amateur professional wrestler with a permanent dent in his forehead, and a few delis run by related Korean families that switch owners every few years.  Carmine’s pizza, where I have been grabbing garlic twists and a slice with fresh mushrooms for almost 15 years, is right outside of the Graham Avenue subway station.  The L takes 9 minutes to get to 1st Avenue and 14th Street, 19 minutes door to door to my classes in the Village, I can transfer to every train except the B and the D (and who wants to take those anyways?); I am anywhere I want to be in half an hour, 40 minutes tops.  I live in an apartment that has nails coming up through the floors, but it’s big and rents for below market value.  It’s in a safe, low-density area where I can park my falling-apart-but-decadent-in-New-York car directly outside my building.  The houses are crappy old tenements that brewery workers used to live in, but they are only 3 stories high so there is plenty of sky.  There’s a fish transfer station on my block, and if a truck puts a dent in my car, I can count on a neighbor to ring my doorbell before the driver gets away, but no one would say a word about the all-night parties we used to have. But that isn’t really why I don’t want to leave the Williamsburg neighborhood in Brooklyn.
 There are record stores, art galleries and hip bars and restaurants filled with young and attractive people. The boys have slightly dirty hair or ironic mustaches and vintage t-shirts and wireless accoutrements and their bony hipbones stick out of their jeans like Johnny Knoxville or John Spencer and I always see someone I want to fuck when I sit in a café on Bedford Avenue.  The girls all have sexily lank hair and shave their legs but not their armpits and are younger than me and have better clothes and cooler shoes and that makes me want to fuck them too. But that’s not why I don’t want to leave, either.
 A typical day for me involves throwing my one-year-old, Felix, into his Maclaren and wandering by the health food store to pick up my partner’s slivered almonds and gluten free cereal, and some Veggie Booty for the baby.  I walk to Spoonbill and Sugartown Booksellers to pet the mangy cats and flip through art books that I can’t afford by Sophie Calle and Gelatin and then buy Piave and homemade mozzarella that tastes like butter, I swear, at the hipeouisie cheese shop.  I take Felix to a makeshift Pilates class in MacCarren Park where the babies breastfeed while we do our crunches and then the mommies go to The Tainted Lady Lounge and have salty sour margaritas and talk about real estate and lack of sex while the babies play on the floor and the tatted proprietress reads Dr. Seuss to the kids in her cigarette voice and then buzzed I walk home under the pink clouds.  But I could find another hipster neighborhood in New York where I could do these things: Smith Street, or Red Hook, or Long Island City.
 The reason I don’t want to leave where I live is more complicated than convenience, eye candy, or routine.  I’m sure there are thousands of people who could make those cases for the Upper West Side, Hell’s Kitchen, Brooklyn Heights, or anywhere in New York. People might even stay in a godawful place like New Jersey to have cheap rent, stay close to family and friends, and have more space.
 It’s not just that I don’t want to leave my neighborhood of 15 years; I don’t want to lose my youth.  I was 17 when I arrived and it was autumn and I was a student at NYU.   I longed for the East Village, but I wanted space, and Williamsburg was a short train ride to the city and both of the guys I was fucking lived there.  I drove my brother’s car which had been my car until he repo’d it from me and the night I moved in old men on my block sat in lawn chairs on the sidewalk and watched baseball on TVs with long extension cords to their houses and said, “Welcome to the neighborhood, Blondie.&quot;
 In Williamsburg there was Noah and Eric, and then Chris, Kim, Richard, Matt, Julie, Jonathan and finally Ken.  There were art parties where we banged on scraps of metal hung from the ceiling for hours, rooms full of inflatable white blobs, beer and costumes and drugs and sex.  I moved a few blocks this way and that, got pregnant, had my heart rubbed in glass and spent an inordinate amount of time drinking and waiting tables.  Chris died, my parents died, I got married. Felix was born.
 It’s not just that I don’t want to lose my youth, it’s that I don’t want to get old.  I don’t want my face to fall, my cunt to loosen, my hair to grey, my eyes to dim, my hands to cripple.  I don’t want thick yellow toenails, knees that ache the morning after three glasses of wine, brown spots spreading over my shoulders.  I don’t want the poochy belly and Eileen Fisher wardrobe that comes with age.  I see decay starting in my body and it scares me.
 And it’s not just that I don’t want to get old; I don’t want the responsibilities that come with age.  Staying monogamous, keeping a baby alive, paying a mortgage.  I’m moving to Queens because I am growing up.  I am leaving Williamsburg for the sake of husband and child and more affordable space.  I know that once you leave you can never go back.  But in my dreams I walk the streets of Brooklyn where I am young and free forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always interested hearing thoughts on where I lived for 15 years, and how the perception of the neighborhood changes over the years and depending which direction you take. But I agree with Richard and Rob.  And I can&#8217;t help sharing my take on it: I wrote this about Williamsburg a few years ago, when I moved to Jackson Heights b/c I couldn&#8217;t afford W&#8217;Burg anymore. I Love The Rumpus.</p>
<p>WHY I DON&#8217;T WANT TO LEAVE WHERE I LIVE<br />
(with apologies to Harry Crews) </p>
<p>I can walk out of my house, take a right, walk half a block, take another right, walk four blocks and I’m on the L train.  If I need anything on the way, I pass the wheatgrass juice joint, the video store run by an amateur professional wrestler with a permanent dent in his forehead, and a few delis run by related Korean families that switch owners every few years.  Carmine’s pizza, where I have been grabbing garlic twists and a slice with fresh mushrooms for almost 15 years, is right outside of the Graham Avenue subway station.  The L takes 9 minutes to get to 1st Avenue and 14th Street, 19 minutes door to door to my classes in the Village, I can transfer to every train except the B and the D (and who wants to take those anyways?); I am anywhere I want to be in half an hour, 40 minutes tops.  I live in an apartment that has nails coming up through the floors, but it’s big and rents for below market value.  It’s in a safe, low-density area where I can park my falling-apart-but-decadent-in-New-York car directly outside my building.  The houses are crappy old tenements that brewery workers used to live in, but they are only 3 stories high so there is plenty of sky.  There’s a fish transfer station on my block, and if a truck puts a dent in my car, I can count on a neighbor to ring my doorbell before the driver gets away, but no one would say a word about the all-night parties we used to have. But that isn’t really why I don’t want to leave the Williamsburg neighborhood in Brooklyn.<br />
 There are record stores, art galleries and hip bars and restaurants filled with young and attractive people. The boys have slightly dirty hair or ironic mustaches and vintage t-shirts and wireless accoutrements and their bony hipbones stick out of their jeans like Johnny Knoxville or John Spencer and I always see someone I want to fuck when I sit in a café on Bedford Avenue.  The girls all have sexily lank hair and shave their legs but not their armpits and are younger than me and have better clothes and cooler shoes and that makes me want to fuck them too. But that’s not why I don’t want to leave, either.<br />
 A typical day for me involves throwing my one-year-old, Felix, into his Maclaren and wandering by the health food store to pick up my partner’s slivered almonds and gluten free cereal, and some Veggie Booty for the baby.  I walk to Spoonbill and Sugartown Booksellers to pet the mangy cats and flip through art books that I can’t afford by Sophie Calle and Gelatin and then buy Piave and homemade mozzarella that tastes like butter, I swear, at the hipeouisie cheese shop.  I take Felix to a makeshift Pilates class in MacCarren Park where the babies breastfeed while we do our crunches and then the mommies go to The Tainted Lady Lounge and have salty sour margaritas and talk about real estate and lack of sex while the babies play on the floor and the tatted proprietress reads Dr. Seuss to the kids in her cigarette voice and then buzzed I walk home under the pink clouds.  But I could find another hipster neighborhood in New York where I could do these things: Smith Street, or Red Hook, or Long Island City.<br />
 The reason I don’t want to leave where I live is more complicated than convenience, eye candy, or routine.  I’m sure there are thousands of people who could make those cases for the Upper West Side, Hell’s Kitchen, Brooklyn Heights, or anywhere in New York. People might even stay in a godawful place like New Jersey to have cheap rent, stay close to family and friends, and have more space.<br />
 It’s not just that I don’t want to leave my neighborhood of 15 years; I don’t want to lose my youth.  I was 17 when I arrived and it was autumn and I was a student at NYU.   I longed for the East Village, but I wanted space, and Williamsburg was a short train ride to the city and both of the guys I was fucking lived there.  I drove my brother’s car which had been my car until he repo’d it from me and the night I moved in old men on my block sat in lawn chairs on the sidewalk and watched baseball on TVs with long extension cords to their houses and said, “Welcome to the neighborhood, Blondie.&#8221;<br />
 In Williamsburg there was Noah and Eric, and then Chris, Kim, Richard, Matt, Julie, Jonathan and finally Ken.  There were art parties where we banged on scraps of metal hung from the ceiling for hours, rooms full of inflatable white blobs, beer and costumes and drugs and sex.  I moved a few blocks this way and that, got pregnant, had my heart rubbed in glass and spent an inordinate amount of time drinking and waiting tables.  Chris died, my parents died, I got married. Felix was born.<br />
 It’s not just that I don’t want to lose my youth, it’s that I don’t want to get old.  I don’t want my face to fall, my cunt to loosen, my hair to grey, my eyes to dim, my hands to cripple.  I don’t want thick yellow toenails, knees that ache the morning after three glasses of wine, brown spots spreading over my shoulders.  I don’t want the poochy belly and Eileen Fisher wardrobe that comes with age.  I see decay starting in my body and it scares me.<br />
 And it’s not just that I don’t want to get old; I don’t want the responsibilities that come with age.  Staying monogamous, keeping a baby alive, paying a mortgage.  I’m moving to Queens because I am growing up.  I am leaving Williamsburg for the sake of husband and child and more affordable space.  I know that once you leave you can never go back.  But in my dreams I walk the streets of Brooklyn where I am young and free forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always love going back and reading henry miller wax poetic on wburg in tropic of capricorn</description>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
I strongly agree with Richard Grayson, I also want to point out there WERE creative folk pushing strollers in Greenpoint and Williamsburg 4 or 5 years ago, but a lot of us left when it grew much more expensive. We were one of many working-creative families in the area a few years ago, spending time at Willy Bees, a kids-and-parents cafe with great folk behind the counter, like the lead singer for She Keeps Bees. We traded toys and clothes at Flying Squirrel, petted the dog at Clovis book store and hung out in McKerran Park or ducked under the fence to get to the river. It is a different place now; few of our working-creative friends remain in those neighborhoods and the hipsters (yep, hipsters) flock under the new condo towers. If strollers return, they will be a lot more expensive than the ones we pushed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,<br />
I strongly agree with Richard Grayson, I also want to point out there WERE creative folk pushing strollers in Greenpoint and Williamsburg 4 or 5 years ago, but a lot of us left when it grew much more expensive. We were one of many working-creative families in the area a few years ago, spending time at Willy Bees, a kids-and-parents cafe with great folk behind the counter, like the lead singer for She Keeps Bees. We traded toys and clothes at Flying Squirrel, petted the dog at Clovis book store and hung out in McKerran Park or ducked under the fence to get to the river. It is a different place now; few of our working-creative friends remain in those neighborhoods and the hipsters (yep, hipsters) flock under the new condo towers. If strollers return, they will be a lot more expensive than the ones we pushed.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, of course. I was marveling a very specific thing/idea and using shorthand to move inside of a concept, which is lazy on my part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, of course. I was marveling a very specific thing/idea and using shorthand to move inside of a concept, which is lazy on my part.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Grayson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Grayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, to say &quot;everybody in Williamsburg&quot; as you do, obviously doesn&#039;t mean everybody in Williamsburg.  Come to my block.  Most of the families here are still Italian-American with houses that have been in their families for generations (I live in a house from the 1880s that the first owner, German, sold when he saw Italians taking over the neighborhood; the house passed to his daughter, my best friend&#039;s grandmother, in whose apartment I now live - first visiting it about 40 years ago - and then to her daughter and so on).  It&#039;s changed, and we have hipsters and yuppies in their 20s here, but it&#039;s still got a working class feel.  I know my neighbor&#039;s names and most of them are in their 70s or 80s and their children in their 40s and 50s and their grandchildren in their teens and 20s and younger.

Go south and you&#039;ll see lots of Latino people.  When I was growing up in Brooklyn, this was exclusively, or practically all, Puerto Rican.  (It&#039;s not a coincidence that Graham Avenue is also named Via Amerigo Vespucci and then becomes Avenida Puerto Rico, and of course just before the bridge is Borinquen Place.  Go to the El Puente community center - their annual Latino AIDS Awareness Day is coming up - and you&#039;ll see a very different group of young people than you do where you were.  Not that we all don&#039;t love Bedford Avenue; some of us even loved in the 1960s and 1970s, when no outsiders did.

Go further south still and you&#039;re in Satmar territory.  The last couple of weekends all the sukkahs were up on the terraces.  This a huge community.  Yeah, it&#039;s a little off-putting to outsiders (my friends and I got looks one day when his daughter, half-Korean and recently bat-mitzvahed, was reading aloud the Hebrew words on a building; she was the only one of us who could), but I&#039;ve gone to the glatt kosher supermarket and a couple of other stores and this area is probably unique in the U.S.

&quot;Everybody in Williamsburg&quot; is all kinds of people.  There&#039;s a great film by Christine Noschese from the 1970s, &quot;Metropolitan Avenue,&quot; that describes how working class women in Williamsburg, joined by men - African Americans from the Cooper housing project, Italian- and Polish-American women from the Northside, and the others - saved a lot of what we could save and protested a lot of what we couldn&#039;t during the grim days of city bankruptcy.  I grew up way out in the leafy suburban parts of Brooklyn and used to feel sorry for my friends who had to live in such a forlorn, crappy neighborhood as Williamsburg.

Anyway, these people may not be online or in the media, but if you go to community board meetings near my house at the Swinging Sixties Senior Center or to meetings of Neighbors Allied for Good Growth, NAG (which started back in the filthy day as Neighbors Against Garbage) or El Puente, founded by the great social activist Luis Garden Acosta, or to those involved with the Giglio feast or the neighborhood churches, you&#039;ll see that probably the people you saw are a minority of Williamsburg residents.  Again, not that we don&#039;t love them.  They have improved things a lot.  But they&#039;re not alone here in Williamsburg.  Many of the people here were born here, and you can tell by the way we tawk on and on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, to say &#8220;everybody in Williamsburg&#8221; as you do, obviously doesn&#8217;t mean everybody in Williamsburg.  Come to my block.  Most of the families here are still Italian-American with houses that have been in their families for generations (I live in a house from the 1880s that the first owner, German, sold when he saw Italians taking over the neighborhood; the house passed to his daughter, my best friend&#8217;s grandmother, in whose apartment I now live &#8211; first visiting it about 40 years ago &#8211; and then to her daughter and so on).  It&#8217;s changed, and we have hipsters and yuppies in their 20s here, but it&#8217;s still got a working class feel.  I know my neighbor&#8217;s names and most of them are in their 70s or 80s and their children in their 40s and 50s and their grandchildren in their teens and 20s and younger.</p>
<p>Go south and you&#8217;ll see lots of Latino people.  When I was growing up in Brooklyn, this was exclusively, or practically all, Puerto Rican.  (It&#8217;s not a coincidence that Graham Avenue is also named Via Amerigo Vespucci and then becomes Avenida Puerto Rico, and of course just before the bridge is Borinquen Place.  Go to the El Puente community center &#8211; their annual Latino AIDS Awareness Day is coming up &#8211; and you&#8217;ll see a very different group of young people than you do where you were.  Not that we all don&#8217;t love Bedford Avenue; some of us even loved in the 1960s and 1970s, when no outsiders did.</p>
<p>Go further south still and you&#8217;re in Satmar territory.  The last couple of weekends all the sukkahs were up on the terraces.  This a huge community.  Yeah, it&#8217;s a little off-putting to outsiders (my friends and I got looks one day when his daughter, half-Korean and recently bat-mitzvahed, was reading aloud the Hebrew words on a building; she was the only one of us who could), but I&#8217;ve gone to the glatt kosher supermarket and a couple of other stores and this area is probably unique in the U.S.</p>
<p>&#8220;Everybody in Williamsburg&#8221; is all kinds of people.  There&#8217;s a great film by Christine Noschese from the 1970s, &#8220;Metropolitan Avenue,&#8221; that describes how working class women in Williamsburg, joined by men &#8211; African Americans from the Cooper housing project, Italian- and Polish-American women from the Northside, and the others &#8211; saved a lot of what we could save and protested a lot of what we couldn&#8217;t during the grim days of city bankruptcy.  I grew up way out in the leafy suburban parts of Brooklyn and used to feel sorry for my friends who had to live in such a forlorn, crappy neighborhood as Williamsburg.</p>
<p>Anyway, these people may not be online or in the media, but if you go to community board meetings near my house at the Swinging Sixties Senior Center or to meetings of Neighbors Allied for Good Growth, NAG (which started back in the filthy day as Neighbors Against Garbage) or El Puente, founded by the great social activist Luis Garden Acosta, or to those involved with the Giglio feast or the neighborhood churches, you&#8217;ll see that probably the people you saw are a minority of Williamsburg residents.  Again, not that we don&#8217;t love them.  They have improved things a lot.  But they&#8217;re not alone here in Williamsburg.  Many of the people here were born here, and you can tell by the way we tawk on and on!</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Parchmop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Parchmop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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