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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 02:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Healing is about breaking threads and making new ones.&quot;

Thank you for this.  That one beautiful line clarifies so many things that should have been clear to me but never were.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Healing is about breaking threads and making new ones.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for this.  That one beautiful line clarifies so many things that should have been clear to me but never were.</p>
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		<title>By: Pissed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pissed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 05:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, I&#039;m simply pissed.

I&#039;m the survivor of massive child abuse trauma.  And I am Celibate.  I&#039;m also the wife of a sweet man who simply does not want sex.  It&#039;s awful.  I love him, he&#039;s a good man.  But he doesn&#039;t want sex.

1) I&#039;m not the only woman out there like this
2) Not all victims of abuse (I don&#039;t understand the term &quot;survivor&quot;.  A crime was committed, and it should have no more stigma than that of a robbery) are cold, frigid, etc.  Some of us become hypersexualized.  But hey, why worry about that?
3) The Catholic Church is WAY better about marital sex than most Bible belt churches, and I&#039;m not surprised in the slightest about the wife&#039;s friends.  

Celibate, I don&#039;t know what to do.  He went to therapy.  We went to therapy.  I gave an ultimatum.  We separated (in the same house, no one knew about it).  But he&#039;s there for me in so many other ways.  I feel absolutely against a wall and as if I&#039;m putting my hands in front of my eyes.  I feel like an idiot if I leave him.  But I don&#039;t know why he doesn&#039;t want sex.  How do you tell friends and family, who ARE going to ask, that it&#039;s because someone you really love and don&#039;t want to hurt more that he just wouldn&#039;t put out?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;m simply pissed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m the survivor of massive child abuse trauma.  And I am Celibate.  I&#8217;m also the wife of a sweet man who simply does not want sex.  It&#8217;s awful.  I love him, he&#8217;s a good man.  But he doesn&#8217;t want sex.</p>
<p>1) I&#8217;m not the only woman out there like this<br />
2) Not all victims of abuse (I don&#8217;t understand the term &#8220;survivor&#8221;.  A crime was committed, and it should have no more stigma than that of a robbery) are cold, frigid, etc.  Some of us become hypersexualized.  But hey, why worry about that?<br />
3) The Catholic Church is WAY better about marital sex than most Bible belt churches, and I&#8217;m not surprised in the slightest about the wife&#8217;s friends.  </p>
<p>Celibate, I don&#8217;t know what to do.  He went to therapy.  We went to therapy.  I gave an ultimatum.  We separated (in the same house, no one knew about it).  But he&#8217;s there for me in so many other ways.  I feel absolutely against a wall and as if I&#8217;m putting my hands in front of my eyes.  I feel like an idiot if I leave him.  But I don&#8217;t know why he doesn&#8217;t want sex.  How do you tell friends and family, who ARE going to ask, that it&#8217;s because someone you really love and don&#8217;t want to hurt more that he just wouldn&#8217;t put out?</p>
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		<title>By: MJD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 22:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While not a sufferer of any sexual abuse that I recall, I have had trouble with the vaginismus. Be careful, there&#039;s a lot of crap out there that you have to sift through, and crappy doctors, like the one who told me it was totally possible to live in a sexless marriage and be happy. That&#039;s not what we were created for, and that&#039;s not what marriage was meant for. I&#039;ve spent most of my married life angry with my circumstances and just turned off to the idea of sex for physical and emotional reasons. But I finally found a women&#039;s health practitioner who actually kept current on vaginismus treatment and was able to get me headed in the right direction. I also found this lady, ten years later than I would have liked: tolovehonorandvacuum.com. Sheila Wray Gregoire has been able to open up to my mind the essential connection between emotional, physical, and spiritual intimacy. She celebrates the differences between men and women and really emphasizes just how much women are meant to enjoy sex as well as men. She gave words to so many of my dark feelings about doing my &quot;marital duty&quot; and gave good, sound Biblical advice to drastically change and improve my attitude. She writes from a strongly Christian perspective, which is very encouraging to those of us who have been taught wrong attitudes about sex and marriage by that very same institution. She blows all of that crap out of the water and tells it like it should be. And she&#039;s very fair, acknowledging the responsibilities of both genders. I highly recommend her website if it sounds helpful to anyone. I have been amazingly blessed so far, going from once every week-and-a-half to averaging 4-5 times a week, all thanks to a major attitude change. I suppose my husband has been blessed as well.:-) Don&#039;t give up. It&#039;s a lonely hell wanting to please your lover, but not being able to, whatever the reason. Whatever it takes to find the road out is WELL worth the fight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not a sufferer of any sexual abuse that I recall, I have had trouble with the vaginismus. Be careful, there&#8217;s a lot of crap out there that you have to sift through, and crappy doctors, like the one who told me it was totally possible to live in a sexless marriage and be happy. That&#8217;s not what we were created for, and that&#8217;s not what marriage was meant for. I&#8217;ve spent most of my married life angry with my circumstances and just turned off to the idea of sex for physical and emotional reasons. But I finally found a women&#8217;s health practitioner who actually kept current on vaginismus treatment and was able to get me headed in the right direction. I also found this lady, ten years later than I would have liked: tolovehonorandvacuum.com. Sheila Wray Gregoire has been able to open up to my mind the essential connection between emotional, physical, and spiritual intimacy. She celebrates the differences between men and women and really emphasizes just how much women are meant to enjoy sex as well as men. She gave words to so many of my dark feelings about doing my &#8220;marital duty&#8221; and gave good, sound Biblical advice to drastically change and improve my attitude. She writes from a strongly Christian perspective, which is very encouraging to those of us who have been taught wrong attitudes about sex and marriage by that very same institution. She blows all of that crap out of the water and tells it like it should be. And she&#8217;s very fair, acknowledging the responsibilities of both genders. I highly recommend her website if it sounds helpful to anyone. I have been amazingly blessed so far, going from once every week-and-a-half to averaging 4-5 times a week, all thanks to a major attitude change. I suppose my husband has been blessed as well.:-) Don&#8217;t give up. It&#8217;s a lonely hell wanting to please your lover, but not being able to, whatever the reason. Whatever it takes to find the road out is WELL worth the fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Another one</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those seeking dilators... this set is much nicer than the vaginismus.com set (silicone rather than plastic). http://ww2.pureromance.com/PUBLICSTORE/product/Vaginal-Dilator-Set,290,147.aspx

I bought this set for my own treatment a few years back and my therapists were really pleased with the quality. There is hope for those willing to seek treatment. If your doctor dismisses your claims of pain, find someone who won&#039;t. I was fortunate that my general practitioner listened to me and provided an appropriate diagnosis. However, I still ended up seeing an OBGYN, sexual health doctor, counselor, and physical therapist as well in my journey to wellness. Vaginismus can be really hard on you, your partner, and your relationship. Start on the road to healing today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those seeking dilators&#8230; this set is much nicer than the vaginismus.com set (silicone rather than plastic). <a href="http://ww2.pureromance.com/PUBLICSTORE/product/Vaginal-Dilator-Set,290,147.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://ww2.pureromance.com/PUBLICSTORE/product/Vaginal-Dilator-Set,290,147.aspx</a></p>
<p>I bought this set for my own treatment a few years back and my therapists were really pleased with the quality. There is hope for those willing to seek treatment. If your doctor dismisses your claims of pain, find someone who won&#8217;t. I was fortunate that my general practitioner listened to me and provided an appropriate diagnosis. However, I still ended up seeing an OBGYN, sexual health doctor, counselor, and physical therapist as well in my journey to wellness. Vaginismus can be really hard on you, your partner, and your relationship. Start on the road to healing today.</p>
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		<title>By: NobodySpecial</title>
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		<dc:creator>NobodySpecial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am ALL for what Elizabeth wrote. Get those dialators. I&#039;ll add something nobody else did. And that is a nice cold bottle of French Rose wine to go along with them. It is true that alcohol lowers inhibitions. Don&#039;t get just one bottle, bring home 3 bottles right away so you have them in the house. 

Celibate, you have got to tell her you want it. You want to have a normal sex life. Tell her you dream about it sometimes when you sleep. If you don&#039;t tell her, she thinks you are okay with it. They got new lubricants nowadays also, get some of that also. She has got to try. Read those testimonials about the dialators on that website that Elizabeth gave you. The women wanted to get better. They wanted to please their husbands. I always say, &quot;you gotta wanna.&quot; She&#039;s &quot;gotta wanna,&quot; Celibate.  

If she is embarrassed about it tell her that she can practice while you take a bath. That way she won&#039;t feel like you are hovering because you are in the bathroom and not &quot;peeping&quot;, but at the same time you will know that she is actually trying, it kind of forces her to try the dialators.

Cheers to Elizabeth you taught me something I never knew about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am ALL for what Elizabeth wrote. Get those dialators. I&#8217;ll add something nobody else did. And that is a nice cold bottle of French Rose wine to go along with them. It is true that alcohol lowers inhibitions. Don&#8217;t get just one bottle, bring home 3 bottles right away so you have them in the house. </p>
<p>Celibate, you have got to tell her you want it. You want to have a normal sex life. Tell her you dream about it sometimes when you sleep. If you don&#8217;t tell her, she thinks you are okay with it. They got new lubricants nowadays also, get some of that also. She has got to try. Read those testimonials about the dialators on that website that Elizabeth gave you. The women wanted to get better. They wanted to please their husbands. I always say, &#8220;you gotta wanna.&#8221; She&#8217;s &#8220;gotta wanna,&#8221; Celibate.  </p>
<p>If she is embarrassed about it tell her that she can practice while you take a bath. That way she won&#8217;t feel like you are hovering because you are in the bathroom and not &#8220;peeping&#8221;, but at the same time you will know that she is actually trying, it kind of forces her to try the dialators.</p>
<p>Cheers to Elizabeth you taught me something I never knew about.</p>
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		<title>By: Geirget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geirget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 06:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You dont know how lucky you are. I am know of someone on a similar situation except that he has been married for about fifteen years and he has children with this wife. So he is staying with his wife for his children. Since you dont have children you can divorce this woman. Give her an ultimatum, divorce her soon, find a better woman. Count your blessings that you can break things off without harming your children.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You dont know how lucky you are. I am know of someone on a similar situation except that he has been married for about fifteen years and he has children with this wife. So he is staying with his wife for his children. Since you dont have children you can divorce this woman. Give her an ultimatum, divorce her soon, find a better woman. Count your blessings that you can break things off without harming your children.</p>
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		<title>By: DevoutDoesntEqualDumb</title>
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		<dc:creator>DevoutDoesntEqualDumb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just stumbled on this and maybe I&#039;m too late, but...

Celibate: The thing you&#039;ve never identified in the letter is whether you share your wife&#039;s faith.

If you do: Don&#039;t stop asking questions, searching and pushing for help until you find a Godly couple who can help you.  There is much more to this than the physical issues.  Don&#039;t take God out of the equation, but make sure you&#039;re addressing it all with love, patience, acceptance, etc.  Any counsellor that tells your wife to be shamed is not following God&#039;s heart for passion and enjoyment of sex.  Neither is any counsellor that tells you to suck it up.  There are Christians out there who can tell it like it is, address this for real, and keep God at the center - who is the only one who can heal miraculously.

If you don&#039;t: When you talk to her about this, please don&#039;t belittle her beliefs.  It looks like she has been shamed by people who claim to know God.  Don&#039;t equate that with God shaming her.  Believe me, there&#039;s a huge difference.  Find the help you need and ask her to find the help she needs.  If possible, help her seek out the kind of christian assistance described above because if her faith is real, she needs the healing of the body and the soul that will let her be free of this prison of shame and fear.  It&#039;s only in addressing both that you&#039;ll get your wife back in a way that will be good for both of you.

And in either case: Tell her you love her over and over and over again.  Ultimatums must be used with care.  If she doesn&#039;t feel safe now, how will she ever feel safe to explore what must be a terribly painful and frightening issue with someone who&#039;s threatening to leave?

I&#039;ll be praying for you both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just stumbled on this and maybe I&#8217;m too late, but&#8230;</p>
<p>Celibate: The thing you&#8217;ve never identified in the letter is whether you share your wife&#8217;s faith.</p>
<p>If you do: Don&#8217;t stop asking questions, searching and pushing for help until you find a Godly couple who can help you.  There is much more to this than the physical issues.  Don&#8217;t take God out of the equation, but make sure you&#8217;re addressing it all with love, patience, acceptance, etc.  Any counsellor that tells your wife to be shamed is not following God&#8217;s heart for passion and enjoyment of sex.  Neither is any counsellor that tells you to suck it up.  There are Christians out there who can tell it like it is, address this for real, and keep God at the center &#8211; who is the only one who can heal miraculously.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t: When you talk to her about this, please don&#8217;t belittle her beliefs.  It looks like she has been shamed by people who claim to know God.  Don&#8217;t equate that with God shaming her.  Believe me, there&#8217;s a huge difference.  Find the help you need and ask her to find the help she needs.  If possible, help her seek out the kind of christian assistance described above because if her faith is real, she needs the healing of the body and the soul that will let her be free of this prison of shame and fear.  It&#8217;s only in addressing both that you&#8217;ll get your wife back in a way that will be good for both of you.</p>
<p>And in either case: Tell her you love her over and over and over again.  Ultimatums must be used with care.  If she doesn&#8217;t feel safe now, how will she ever feel safe to explore what must be a terribly painful and frightening issue with someone who&#8217;s threatening to leave?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be praying for you both.</p>
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		<title>By: Dick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sugar, you continue to amaze me.  What great and comprehensive advice you give.  I would only add that Celibate should remember that his feelings and needs are just as important as his wife&#039;s.  I&#039;m not hopeful that this relationship, if you can call it that, will continue.  It sounds like Celibate&#039;s and his wife have lots of work to do if they stay together.  An old and learned friend of mine informed me that we are on the earth to enjoy our creaturehood.  This couple should see a counselor quickly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sugar, you continue to amaze me.  What great and comprehensive advice you give.  I would only add that Celibate should remember that his feelings and needs are just as important as his wife&#8217;s.  I&#8217;m not hopeful that this relationship, if you can call it that, will continue.  It sounds like Celibate&#8217;s and his wife have lots of work to do if they stay together.  An old and learned friend of mine informed me that we are on the earth to enjoy our creaturehood.  This couple should see a counselor quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Aldonza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aldonza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Celibate is guessing what the problem is, but neither of them know.  The inability to discuss this as a major issue in their marriage is troubling.  

It&#039;s hard to talk of &quot;dealbreakers&quot; and &quot;bottom lines&quot; without using ultimatums.  But when you&#039;re in that emotional space of approaching your bottom line, it really is only fair to let the other party know.  You can&#039;t control what they&#039;ll choose to do, but you have to give them fair notice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Celibate is guessing what the problem is, but neither of them know.  The inability to discuss this as a major issue in their marriage is troubling.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to talk of &#8220;dealbreakers&#8221; and &#8220;bottom lines&#8221; without using ultimatums.  But when you&#8217;re in that emotional space of approaching your bottom line, it really is only fair to let the other party know.  You can&#8217;t control what they&#8217;ll choose to do, but you have to give them fair notice.</p>
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		<title>By: Survivalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Survivalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 00:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel for Celibate, but I feel even worse for his wife. We can talk all we like about Puritanical positions of sex... but what Sugar touched on here was that many of us survivors have a very, very hard time distinguishing between sex and abuse. Some who even know the difference still cannot bring themselves to participate fully in sex (even with enthusiastic consent) because of blackouts, disassociation, memories, uncontrollable thoughts. 

Ultimately, Sugar is right. You can&#039;t remain stagnant like this. The discussion has to take place. She&#039;s your wife: you&#039;ve made a commitment to each other in sickness and in health. This marriage is sick, but more than the lack of sexual intimacy and the abuse, what is really alarming about Celibate&#039;s marital problem is the lack of communication.

Sugar is right about another thing: Celibate&#039;s wife needs to know that she is in a loving, supportive, non-abusive, non-toxic environment. Communication needs to run both ways. That level of abuse involves a lot of unpacking when it comes to trust. When she feels she is able to let those walls come undone, she will do it on her own... but only when she is ready and when she is in an environment she feels safe to do so.

I would encourage the both of them to speak to a religious officiant of some sort, since religion seems to play an important role here. Also, couple&#039;s counseling is very important because it can enable the both of them to build communication tools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel for Celibate, but I feel even worse for his wife. We can talk all we like about Puritanical positions of sex&#8230; but what Sugar touched on here was that many of us survivors have a very, very hard time distinguishing between sex and abuse. Some who even know the difference still cannot bring themselves to participate fully in sex (even with enthusiastic consent) because of blackouts, disassociation, memories, uncontrollable thoughts. </p>
<p>Ultimately, Sugar is right. You can&#8217;t remain stagnant like this. The discussion has to take place. She&#8217;s your wife: you&#8217;ve made a commitment to each other in sickness and in health. This marriage is sick, but more than the lack of sexual intimacy and the abuse, what is really alarming about Celibate&#8217;s marital problem is the lack of communication.</p>
<p>Sugar is right about another thing: Celibate&#8217;s wife needs to know that she is in a loving, supportive, non-abusive, non-toxic environment. Communication needs to run both ways. That level of abuse involves a lot of unpacking when it comes to trust. When she feels she is able to let those walls come undone, she will do it on her own&#8230; but only when she is ready and when she is in an environment she feels safe to do so.</p>
<p>I would encourage the both of them to speak to a religious officiant of some sort, since religion seems to play an important role here. Also, couple&#8217;s counseling is very important because it can enable the both of them to build communication tools.</p>
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