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	<title>Comments on: David Biespiel&#8217;s Poetry Wire: Things They Do Look Awful Cold — Talking &#8216;Bout My Generation</title>
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		<title>By: rv branham</title>
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		<dc:creator>rv branham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops, typo alert... i meant to say &quot;get thee to the used/skuff bin at yr local indie record store.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, typo alert&#8230; i meant to say &#8220;get thee to the used/skuff bin at yr local indie record store.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: rv branham</title>
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		<dc:creator>rv branham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to those who have not gotten into albums, get the to the used/skuff bin at yr local indie record store. 
you can find these albums for anywhere from $2 to $6 apiece. &amp; some libraries have them too. so you can check them out &amp; burn them to yr itunes. 
but i&#039;d recommend hunting down the cds because the itunes crash from time to time. 
these are all albums, &amp; should be played sequentially. some really essential &amp; seminal albums that arguably define their decade i&#039;d recommend (in various categories, classical, minimalist, punk/post punk, jazz, rock), ambient,in no particular order: 
(1) v.u. (velvet underground, first album, the peel it &amp; see, all tomorrow&#039;s parties is the first minimalist microtonal pce of music on a pop album &amp; the rest of the album still defines the 60s &amp; transcends it—a million bands were started by kids who really loved lou reed &amp; that album)...&amp; i&#039;d recommend any frank sinatra/nelson riddle collaboration or those early to late 60s albums by dylan &amp; the rolling stones... but onward: 
(2,3,4) miles davis, bitches brew, in a silent way &amp; on the corner (pre-fusion jazz &amp; funk that still is ahead of the game);
(5, 6) brian eno, another green world, discreet music (another green world, one of the most beautiful albums ever, &amp; the progenitor of all sorts of electronic &amp; dance music; discreet music, music that you can ignore or get lost in);
(7) pablo casals, bach cello suites (2 cds, &amp; sorry yo yo ma, but still the best recordings, from the late 1930s &amp; early 40s);
(8) steve reich, music for 18 musicians (a great mandala of an album);
(9) glass, einstein on the beach (the deep end of the minimalist pool, &amp; likely to run $12 to $18, used, but, hey, 3 cds)
(10) laurie anderson, mr. heartbreak (a great &amp; defining 80s album, with plangent music &amp; allusive &amp; ellusive lyrics alluding to creation myths, pynchon, lagoons, byrds funerals &amp; wakes, crappy hotels, &amp; lyric mashups of the tempest &amp; moby dick; &amp; with peter gabriel &amp; phoebe snow doing duet vocals with laurie, &amp; wm. burroughs doing a guest lead vocal, &amp; all sorts of amazing musicianship);
(11) marianne faithfull, broken english (just yr basic reggae/punk/disco testament, with the best songs ever about adultury &amp; bad faith);
(12) pil, album (the 3rd post-pistols album, johnny lydon/rotten made, with ginger baker &amp; tony williams on drums, &amp; herbie hancock on keys);
(13, 14, 15, 16) billie holiday&#039;s last 4 albums: all or nothing at all,songs for distingué lovers, body &amp; soul, lady in satin (all made shortly before she died; in a bbc interview, again shortly before she died, she said &quot;there&#039;s no business like the show business, sometimes you have to smile to keep from throwing up&quot;);
(17, 18, 19, 20) elvis, costello, this year&#039;s mode, get happy, trust, imperial bedroom (part of elvis costellos early roll, his first 6 albums found him on such a roll not seen since early dylan);
(21) steve kuhn, trance (a solo piano album that seamlessly combines bop jazz with 19th. c. russian music, like scriabin &amp; rachmaninoff);
(22) eberhard weber, the colours of cloë (the most beautiful chamber jazz you might ever hear);
(23) dylan, blood on the tracks (arguably his best 1970s album);
(24) van morrison, st. dominic&#039;s preview (van morrison&#039;s peak);
(25) burt bacharach &amp; elvis costello, painted from memory (one of the great collaborations, a classic collection of love songs);
(26) willie nelson, teatro (prod. by daniel lanois, who has worked with eno for a long time, one of willie nelson&#039;s best, &amp; certainly his best recorded &amp; produced album);
(27) the beach boys, pet sounds (say no more)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to those who have not gotten into albums, get the to the used/skuff bin at yr local indie record store.<br />
you can find these albums for anywhere from $2 to $6 apiece. &amp; some libraries have them too. so you can check them out &amp; burn them to yr itunes.<br />
but i&#8217;d recommend hunting down the cds because the itunes crash from time to time.<br />
these are all albums, &amp; should be played sequentially. some really essential &amp; seminal albums that arguably define their decade i&#8217;d recommend (in various categories, classical, minimalist, punk/post punk, jazz, rock), ambient,in no particular order:<br />
(1) v.u. (velvet underground, first album, the peel it &amp; see, all tomorrow&#8217;s parties is the first minimalist microtonal pce of music on a pop album &amp; the rest of the album still defines the 60s &amp; transcends it—a million bands were started by kids who really loved lou reed &amp; that album)&#8230;&amp; i&#8217;d recommend any frank sinatra/nelson riddle collaboration or those early to late 60s albums by dylan &amp; the rolling stones&#8230; but onward:<br />
(2,3,4) miles davis, bitches brew, in a silent way &amp; on the corner (pre-fusion jazz &amp; funk that still is ahead of the game);<br />
(5, 6) brian eno, another green world, discreet music (another green world, one of the most beautiful albums ever, &amp; the progenitor of all sorts of electronic &amp; dance music; discreet music, music that you can ignore or get lost in);<br />
(7) pablo casals, bach cello suites (2 cds, &amp; sorry yo yo ma, but still the best recordings, from the late 1930s &amp; early 40s);<br />
(8) steve reich, music for 18 musicians (a great mandala of an album);<br />
(9) glass, einstein on the beach (the deep end of the minimalist pool, &amp; likely to run $12 to $18, used, but, hey, 3 cds)<br />
(10) laurie anderson, mr. heartbreak (a great &amp; defining 80s album, with plangent music &amp; allusive &amp; ellusive lyrics alluding to creation myths, pynchon, lagoons, byrds funerals &amp; wakes, crappy hotels, &amp; lyric mashups of the tempest &amp; moby dick; &amp; with peter gabriel &amp; phoebe snow doing duet vocals with laurie, &amp; wm. burroughs doing a guest lead vocal, &amp; all sorts of amazing musicianship);<br />
(11) marianne faithfull, broken english (just yr basic reggae/punk/disco testament, with the best songs ever about adultury &amp; bad faith);<br />
(12) pil, album (the 3rd post-pistols album, johnny lydon/rotten made, with ginger baker &amp; tony williams on drums, &amp; herbie hancock on keys);<br />
(13, 14, 15, 16) billie holiday&#8217;s last 4 albums: all or nothing at all,songs for distingué lovers, body &amp; soul, lady in satin (all made shortly before she died; in a bbc interview, again shortly before she died, she said &#8220;there&#8217;s no business like the show business, sometimes you have to smile to keep from throwing up&#8221;);<br />
(17, 18, 19, 20) elvis, costello, this year&#8217;s mode, get happy, trust, imperial bedroom (part of elvis costellos early roll, his first 6 albums found him on such a roll not seen since early dylan);<br />
(21) steve kuhn, trance (a solo piano album that seamlessly combines bop jazz with 19th. c. russian music, like scriabin &amp; rachmaninoff);<br />
(22) eberhard weber, the colours of cloë (the most beautiful chamber jazz you might ever hear);<br />
(23) dylan, blood on the tracks (arguably his best 1970s album);<br />
(24) van morrison, st. dominic&#8217;s preview (van morrison&#8217;s peak);<br />
(25) burt bacharach &amp; elvis costello, painted from memory (one of the great collaborations, a classic collection of love songs);<br />
(26) willie nelson, teatro (prod. by daniel lanois, who has worked with eno for a long time, one of willie nelson&#8217;s best, &amp; certainly his best recorded &amp; produced album);<br />
(27) the beach boys, pet sounds (say no more)</p>
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		<title>By: Geffrey D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geffrey D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 05:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for sending this along, DB. My ability to weigh in on the music stuff is kinda complicated--in a way, for similar reasons. Because I grew up in a neighborhood where getting caught listening to anything other than Rap, R&amp;B, or Hip-Hop could make the walk home a little riskier than usual . . . well, I grew up listening almost exclusively to Rap, R&amp;B, and Hip-Hop. Also, because of economic reasons, I really didn&#039;t get too much experience with &quot;the album&quot; until college . . . graduate school, really, if I&#039;m being honest. 

Once in college and beyond the pressures of my home community, rampant downloading gave me free range with new music genres on the one hand, but, on the other hand, it also ruined my patience with the album as a form.  I&#039;ve since found that patience/appreciation, though with plenty of &quot;catching up&quot; still to do . .

All of which is to say, I don&#039;t much trust my personal connections between music and cultural happenings.

And, yet, it seems to me that my unwieldy background doesn&#039;t really look all that particular these days.

In terms of Coldfront, while I&#039;m new to that site, my impulse is to say that it seems that poetry might finally be borrowing the top-charts exposure/consumption model of pop art. If so, my hope is that machines such as these will expand the current elite-like knowledge of the many worthy voices standing rows behind the select winners of our most prestigious literary awards. Even if I&#039;m being optimistic about that last point, poetry might need this model now. With social media, blogging, online journals, &amp;c. flaring up and adding to the sheer amount of poetry produced each year (and I don’t mean that as a negative), in order to accurately sample what&#039;s out there, perhaps we will eventually come to rely on yearly top-40 lists, especially for newer readers trying to get traction on the poetry scene (alongside their studies of what’s come before, of course).

Or, these are my immediate scattered thoughts anyways . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sending this along, DB. My ability to weigh in on the music stuff is kinda complicated&#8211;in a way, for similar reasons. Because I grew up in a neighborhood where getting caught listening to anything other than Rap, R&amp;B, or Hip-Hop could make the walk home a little riskier than usual . . . well, I grew up listening almost exclusively to Rap, R&amp;B, and Hip-Hop. Also, because of economic reasons, I really didn&#8217;t get too much experience with &#8220;the album&#8221; until college . . . graduate school, really, if I&#8217;m being honest. </p>
<p>Once in college and beyond the pressures of my home community, rampant downloading gave me free range with new music genres on the one hand, but, on the other hand, it also ruined my patience with the album as a form.  I&#8217;ve since found that patience/appreciation, though with plenty of &#8220;catching up&#8221; still to do . .</p>
<p>All of which is to say, I don&#8217;t much trust my personal connections between music and cultural happenings.</p>
<p>And, yet, it seems to me that my unwieldy background doesn&#8217;t really look all that particular these days.</p>
<p>In terms of Coldfront, while I&#8217;m new to that site, my impulse is to say that it seems that poetry might finally be borrowing the top-charts exposure/consumption model of pop art. If so, my hope is that machines such as these will expand the current elite-like knowledge of the many worthy voices standing rows behind the select winners of our most prestigious literary awards. Even if I&#8217;m being optimistic about that last point, poetry might need this model now. With social media, blogging, online journals, &amp;c. flaring up and adding to the sheer amount of poetry produced each year (and I don’t mean that as a negative), in order to accurately sample what&#8217;s out there, perhaps we will eventually come to rely on yearly top-40 lists, especially for newer readers trying to get traction on the poetry scene (alongside their studies of what’s come before, of course).</p>
<p>Or, these are my immediate scattered thoughts anyways . .</p>
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		<title>By: William B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>William B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 21:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came to poetry through music, no doubt about it. When my twelve year old self first heard Neil Young sing, &quot;what is the color when black is burned&quot; I about lost my mind. I had never heard lyrics like that before. After Neil Young I discovered Jim Morrison, an adolescent boy&#039;s poet if there ever was one, then moved onto Robert Hunter, and eventually discovered Bob Dylan. Because of them I started reading Thomas, Rimbaud, and Keats. These days I don&#039;t consider song lyrics poetry, but I sure like it when they&#039;re poetic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to poetry through music, no doubt about it. When my twelve year old self first heard Neil Young sing, &#8220;what is the color when black is burned&#8221; I about lost my mind. I had never heard lyrics like that before. After Neil Young I discovered Jim Morrison, an adolescent boy&#8217;s poet if there ever was one, then moved onto Robert Hunter, and eventually discovered Bob Dylan. Because of them I started reading Thomas, Rimbaud, and Keats. These days I don&#8217;t consider song lyrics poetry, but I sure like it when they&#8217;re poetic.</p>
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		<title>By: rv branham</title>
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		<dc:creator>rv branham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah. cold war &amp; post-pop lyrics. (&amp; country music is an interesting post-pop parallel evolution, esp. if you look at people like lyle lovett &amp; lucinda williams.) good call. (dylan &amp; cohen &amp; l. reed &amp; eno &amp; lennon—&amp; joni mitchell— influenced generations of pop musicians to work on their lyrics as much as the music. robyin hitchcock, pj harvey, björk, johnny lydon, rza, l.l. cool jay, costello, thom yorke, have doing some of the best lyrics around.) &amp; if you think abt the popular song &amp; the show tune, you find that the only decent practitioner of that craft is sondheim. all those sub-lloyd-weber-rice musicals worse than suck, they bite. no surprise that merritt from magnetic fields has written several really good (&amp; successful) musicals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah. cold war &amp; post-pop lyrics. (&amp; country music is an interesting post-pop parallel evolution, esp. if you look at people like lyle lovett &amp; lucinda williams.) good call. (dylan &amp; cohen &amp; l. reed &amp; eno &amp; lennon—&amp; joni mitchell— influenced generations of pop musicians to work on their lyrics as much as the music. robyin hitchcock, pj harvey, björk, johnny lydon, rza, l.l. cool jay, costello, thom yorke, have doing some of the best lyrics around.) &amp; if you think abt the popular song &amp; the show tune, you find that the only decent practitioner of that craft is sondheim. all those sub-lloyd-weber-rice musicals worse than suck, they bite. no surprise that merritt from magnetic fields has written several really good (&amp; successful) musicals.</p>
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