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		<title>By: Rick Schindler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Schindler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 02:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If intelligence resides in pattern recognition, then this is an intensely intelligent essay. Any essay that manages to draw lines from MC5 to Jefferson Airplane to Lothar and the Hand People to the Polyphonic Spree has a lot going for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If intelligence resides in pattern recognition, then this is an intensely intelligent essay. Any essay that manages to draw lines from MC5 to Jefferson Airplane to Lothar and the Hand People to the Polyphonic Spree has a lot going for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 16:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two drone experiences for me...one took place on a fall afternoon high up along the Blueridge Parkway. Driving along midweek, not seeing any other cars, pulled off the road at a turn out, got out of the car and was swallowed alive in a drone womb. It was not the sound of wind through the trees in the panoramic valley below me...it was this all encompasing deep deep rumble. Kinda scared me at first. My manmade drone experience is more easily available, as on the outskirts of town there is an open air electric substation. On walks my wife doesn&#039;t enjoy the sensation, so by myself I go as close as possible, right up to the barbed wire fencing and get my body parts vibrated by the manmade variety of droning. And yes, sitting in on my first Reich performance was more an ear experience than a body experience, but also a mind expander.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two drone experiences for me&#8230;one took place on a fall afternoon high up along the Blueridge Parkway. Driving along midweek, not seeing any other cars, pulled off the road at a turn out, got out of the car and was swallowed alive in a drone womb. It was not the sound of wind through the trees in the panoramic valley below me&#8230;it was this all encompasing deep deep rumble. Kinda scared me at first. My manmade drone experience is more easily available, as on the outskirts of town there is an open air electric substation. On walks my wife doesn&#8217;t enjoy the sensation, so by myself I go as close as possible, right up to the barbed wire fencing and get my body parts vibrated by the manmade variety of droning. And yes, sitting in on my first Reich performance was more an ear experience than a body experience, but also a mind expander.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Moody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Moody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim, it&#039;s almost like you&#039;re setting me up with the &quot;exist in Nature&quot; question, because of course it brings to mind that famous story about La Monte Young, which I&#039;m sure I&#039;ve told you about before, that he had secured a contract with some record label in the late sixties to record the surf in Montauk (this is how I&#039;m reconstructing the story, which was itself probably reconstructed by someone else), and went out there with great microphones and an engineer and so on, only to find that surf didn&#039;t sound like it had sounded when he had first listened to it, and so he abandoned the project. That&#039;s the story anyway. I think La Monte believed the drone existed in Nature, and the ancientness of the Indian tamboura is probably a recognition that it existed or was attractive to human consciousness at a very early point. La Monte&#039;s particular story of hearing the crackle of high-tension lines as a kid is informative, too, however. He says that a lot of his work comes out of that experience (which is probably relating to an early moment in rural electrification, because he was raised in Idaho, and was born in the twenties)--hearing that sound. 

The pulse in music is, we often say, related to the heartbeat, which means it is animated. And the drone is perhaps related to the breath. Which is why it is often yoked up with meditation. Cage has that comment about the drone of the central nervous system, which I never quite believe. But maybe he&#039;s onto something there too. 

By the way, I love Reich&#039;s &quot;18.&quot; It was a transformative moment, for me, hearing that for the first time. And I love &quot;In C&quot; as well. That Bang on a Can recording is great. I guess I find, after a while, that the pulse is predictable for me--I know how it&#039;s going to go. Which is why, e.g., I can&#039;t really stand Phillip Glass anymore. But I have a part of me that loves that early pulse of minimalism a lot. And maybe, as you say, the ocean surf pulses anyhow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, it&#8217;s almost like you&#8217;re setting me up with the &#8220;exist in Nature&#8221; question, because of course it brings to mind that famous story about La Monte Young, which I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ve told you about before, that he had secured a contract with some record label in the late sixties to record the surf in Montauk (this is how I&#8217;m reconstructing the story, which was itself probably reconstructed by someone else), and went out there with great microphones and an engineer and so on, only to find that surf didn&#8217;t sound like it had sounded when he had first listened to it, and so he abandoned the project. That&#8217;s the story anyway. I think La Monte believed the drone existed in Nature, and the ancientness of the Indian tamboura is probably a recognition that it existed or was attractive to human consciousness at a very early point. La Monte&#8217;s particular story of hearing the crackle of high-tension lines as a kid is informative, too, however. He says that a lot of his work comes out of that experience (which is probably relating to an early moment in rural electrification, because he was raised in Idaho, and was born in the twenties)&#8211;hearing that sound. </p>
<p>The pulse in music is, we often say, related to the heartbeat, which means it is animated. And the drone is perhaps related to the breath. Which is why it is often yoked up with meditation. Cage has that comment about the drone of the central nervous system, which I never quite believe. But maybe he&#8217;s onto something there too. </p>
<p>By the way, I love Reich&#8217;s &#8220;18.&#8221; It was a transformative moment, for me, hearing that for the first time. And I love &#8220;In C&#8221; as well. That Bang on a Can recording is great. I guess I find, after a while, that the pulse is predictable for me&#8211;I know how it&#8217;s going to go. Which is why, e.g., I can&#8217;t really stand Phillip Glass anymore. But I have a part of me that loves that early pulse of minimalism a lot. And maybe, as you say, the ocean surf pulses anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ramick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Ramick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to learn more about the concept of drone and the affection it elicits from you. One Oneida track I don&#039;t remember our ever mentioning is &quot;The Winter Shaker&quot; from Secret Wars. When I first listened to it I was entirely taken with the repeating opening jangly riff and was disappointed when the vocals began and I realized the instrumental chiming wasn&#039;t going to persist in uninterrupted fashion for twenty (or even forty) minutes. 

I&#039;m drawn more to the pulse than the drone, and I&#039;m probably a bigger fan of Reich&#039;s &quot;Music for 18 Musicians&quot; than you are (if only for the fact that it&#039;s quite likely my most favorite piece of music). I don&#039;t think of it as drone—and by the way, the Fireworks cover of &quot;Sheets of Easter&quot; is more Reichian than anything I&#039;ve come across by Oneida. I know Young&#039;s &quot;The Romantic Chord&quot; is considered drone, but it has so much more delineated structure than most of the drone music I&#039;ve heard (Dead C, Coil, Stars of the Lid, Sunn O)))). Same with Riley&#039;s &quot;In C&quot; (the recent Bang on a Can recording is very dynamic and rhythmical). Phil Niblock&#039;s works seem more pure drone to me (what I&#039;ve heard of his stuff).

Doom metal sometimes gets near to drone for me in a way that I like (bands such as Bunkur and Monarch slow everything down to a death crawl). 

Does drone exist in Nature (in such a way that we can hear it without technological assistance)?* Perhaps I&#039;m resistant to that aspect of it—it occludes the human element.

*The sound of ocean surf—as the obvious example—sounds more like pulse than drone to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to learn more about the concept of drone and the affection it elicits from you. One Oneida track I don&#8217;t remember our ever mentioning is &#8220;The Winter Shaker&#8221; from Secret Wars. When I first listened to it I was entirely taken with the repeating opening jangly riff and was disappointed when the vocals began and I realized the instrumental chiming wasn&#8217;t going to persist in uninterrupted fashion for twenty (or even forty) minutes. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m drawn more to the pulse than the drone, and I&#8217;m probably a bigger fan of Reich&#8217;s &#8220;Music for 18 Musicians&#8221; than you are (if only for the fact that it&#8217;s quite likely my most favorite piece of music). I don&#8217;t think of it as drone—and by the way, the Fireworks cover of &#8220;Sheets of Easter&#8221; is more Reichian than anything I&#8217;ve come across by Oneida. I know Young&#8217;s &#8220;The Romantic Chord&#8221; is considered drone, but it has so much more delineated structure than most of the drone music I&#8217;ve heard (Dead C, Coil, Stars of the Lid, Sunn O)))). Same with Riley&#8217;s &#8220;In C&#8221; (the recent Bang on a Can recording is very dynamic and rhythmical). Phil Niblock&#8217;s works seem more pure drone to me (what I&#8217;ve heard of his stuff).</p>
<p>Doom metal sometimes gets near to drone for me in a way that I like (bands such as Bunkur and Monarch slow everything down to a death crawl). </p>
<p>Does drone exist in Nature (in such a way that we can hear it without technological assistance)?* Perhaps I&#8217;m resistant to that aspect of it—it occludes the human element.</p>
<p>*The sound of ocean surf—as the obvious example—sounds more like pulse than drone to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Dock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone who has listened to &quot;Sheets of Easter&quot; a couple thousand times, I feel qualified to share some of my impressions:

Surely the verbal ambiguity is intentional. Especially at the outset, I wonder whether they&#039;re all singing different things? &quot;light, right, night, might. . .&quot; 

The voices come and go —almost imperceptibly, blending in with the instrumentation so perfectly— dropping out completely, for instance, by the fourth minute (really hard here to differentiate voice from echo of voice), but coming in all together at 5:13, with what sounds (to me) like a definite &quot;right right right.&quot; 

At times, when the voices are strong, I think a little about the Dropkick Murphys: &quot;ight ight ight. . .&quot;

And when the voices return again at around 8 minutes, they&#039;re definitely singing &quot;sight sight sight. . .&quot; 

There&#039;s so much going on in this piece! Thanks for the insightful, informative essay. I always learn from your posts!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has listened to &#8220;Sheets of Easter&#8221; a couple thousand times, I feel qualified to share some of my impressions:</p>
<p>Surely the verbal ambiguity is intentional. Especially at the outset, I wonder whether they&#8217;re all singing different things? &#8220;light, right, night, might. . .&#8221; </p>
<p>The voices come and go —almost imperceptibly, blending in with the instrumentation so perfectly— dropping out completely, for instance, by the fourth minute (really hard here to differentiate voice from echo of voice), but coming in all together at 5:13, with what sounds (to me) like a definite &#8220;right right right.&#8221; </p>
<p>At times, when the voices are strong, I think a little about the Dropkick Murphys: &#8220;ight ight ight. . .&#8221;</p>
<p>And when the voices return again at around 8 minutes, they&#8217;re definitely singing &#8220;sight sight sight. . .&#8221; </p>
<p>There&#8217;s so much going on in this piece! Thanks for the insightful, informative essay. I always learn from your posts!</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Moody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Moody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim, what a sweet note (and if a guy named Dock writes in now, there will be comments from every Tim, Dock, and Harry) . . . 

I agree about the motivating force in band construction that is &quot;love,&quot; which today we will call an incalculable value-added item in the Utopian community, a sort of phlogiston, whose precise list of ingredients we cannot accurately describe, even as we believe we know what we mean about the aggregate. It would be interesting to try to smoke out Kid Millions on that issue, though one thing I admire about him in the particular is his resistance to being lured into public comment. He is a guy who is kind of serene, in general, he is a guy with a Zen warrior aspect to him, and I&#039;m not sure he would take the bait. (It should be noted, however, that he has corrected the catalogue of things I impute to his high school bands, which should read: Dead, GnR, Traffic, Neil Young.) Love, as in the Utopia song, is the answer, though how exactly it is the answer remains a mystery. Also: what I always admire in the failing marriage (and I know something about this experientially) is how love is still in there somewhere. Even at the darkest times, when being driven to extremes of apartness seems to be the rule of marriage. 

Oneida is not failing, though it is in a different place lately, somehow . . .

As for your (and my) divergent sets of interests (and I so think the II in Absolute II is meant to be a &quot;too,&quot; and is just a restatement of procedural intention, as in: &quot;this album is also thoroughly uncompromising&quot;), my suggestion would be only that you like smaller increments of repetition (Martin Arnold) than I do. (Although I love Martin Arnold.) Miles Davis once said about popular music that the &quot;melodic phrases&quot; were getting shorter. I believe he said this ruefully. Or at least I&#039;m going to interpret it as a rueful statement. The difference between Morton Feldman and Orthrelm and Oneida is a different attitude about lengths of melodic phrasing. I think. I like the drone. One note for ninety minutes? I&#039;m there! 

Meanwhile, one day I will, perhaps, write about feminine apostleship, which would be a topic where language might really happen in a generous way. And then I would work off the bad karma of SWS #40.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, what a sweet note (and if a guy named Dock writes in now, there will be comments from every Tim, Dock, and Harry) . . . </p>
<p>I agree about the motivating force in band construction that is &#8220;love,&#8221; which today we will call an incalculable value-added item in the Utopian community, a sort of phlogiston, whose precise list of ingredients we cannot accurately describe, even as we believe we know what we mean about the aggregate. It would be interesting to try to smoke out Kid Millions on that issue, though one thing I admire about him in the particular is his resistance to being lured into public comment. He is a guy who is kind of serene, in general, he is a guy with a Zen warrior aspect to him, and I&#8217;m not sure he would take the bait. (It should be noted, however, that he has corrected the catalogue of things I impute to his high school bands, which should read: Dead, GnR, Traffic, Neil Young.) Love, as in the Utopia song, is the answer, though how exactly it is the answer remains a mystery. Also: what I always admire in the failing marriage (and I know something about this experientially) is how love is still in there somewhere. Even at the darkest times, when being driven to extremes of apartness seems to be the rule of marriage. </p>
<p>Oneida is not failing, though it is in a different place lately, somehow . . .</p>
<p>As for your (and my) divergent sets of interests (and I so think the II in Absolute II is meant to be a &#8220;too,&#8221; and is just a restatement of procedural intention, as in: &#8220;this album is also thoroughly uncompromising&#8221;), my suggestion would be only that you like smaller increments of repetition (Martin Arnold) than I do. (Although I love Martin Arnold.) Miles Davis once said about popular music that the &#8220;melodic phrases&#8221; were getting shorter. I believe he said this ruefully. Or at least I&#8217;m going to interpret it as a rueful statement. The difference between Morton Feldman and Orthrelm and Oneida is a different attitude about lengths of melodic phrasing. I think. I like the drone. One note for ninety minutes? I&#8217;m there! </p>
<p>Meanwhile, one day I will, perhaps, write about feminine apostleship, which would be a topic where language might really happen in a generous way. And then I would work off the bad karma of SWS #40.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ramick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Ramick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 02:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Immense enjoyment reading this, though I lack your nuanced understanding of the more aggressively ambient side of Oneida and their willingness to be availed to that tradition which also vibrates in artists such as Stars of the Lid, Labradford, much of Brian Eno, etc.—just as your palate doesn’t quite cotton to the singular repetitions/iterations I so adore in Mick Barr’s music. 

To push your opening metaphor even further, playing together in a marriage (partnership) is what makes that partnership sublime, no? There has to be improvisation, there has to be some sort of private (collaborative) recording studio, some superb woodshedding going on as often as possible—love is the zenith of the utopian ideal and insists upon an absolute commitment to not compromising when it comes to compromise (it must be done because that is its truest nature). It locks in and finds its group identity.  

I’ve listened to Absolute II several times and am as fascinated by the II, begging both a I and a III, perhaps equally, and therefore standing in some transitional space between two non-existent constants. But I don’t hear its structure or its absoluteness. Am I—who usually consider myself a patient attender—too impatient to apprehend continental drift while being overly enamored with the movements of insects? To cut myself some slack, though, I love the glacial shifts in Morton Feldman’s long compositions as much as I’m drawn to Orthrelm’s ten-second shreddings. They feel like the same thing to me (whether coarse-grained or fine-grained). I’m not convinced Oneida hasn’t turned its disciplined back on the intricacies of structure and gone the easier route of John Cage-like freedom from form... 

Perhaps Godspeed You! Black Emperor also deserves a mention when speaking of rock utopian collectives? And I second Harry&#039;s comment regarding the Deleuze quote. 

By the way, speaking of love, whenever you write about something you love, say, music, your measure approaches that of Thomas Mann’s to me, and I’m reminded of your once saying (about The Magic Mountain) that you never wanted it to end. I feel this about “Sheets of Easter” and the ascending fellowship in Coltrane’s &quot;Ascension&quot;—I also feel this about the very best of your work (e.g. “The Ineluctable Modality of the Vaginal”). In other words, you need to write another essay, this one beginning with Appendix Two and moving onward to speak of feminine apostleship. This strikes me as yours to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Immense enjoyment reading this, though I lack your nuanced understanding of the more aggressively ambient side of Oneida and their willingness to be availed to that tradition which also vibrates in artists such as Stars of the Lid, Labradford, much of Brian Eno, etc.—just as your palate doesn’t quite cotton to the singular repetitions/iterations I so adore in Mick Barr’s music. </p>
<p>To push your opening metaphor even further, playing together in a marriage (partnership) is what makes that partnership sublime, no? There has to be improvisation, there has to be some sort of private (collaborative) recording studio, some superb woodshedding going on as often as possible—love is the zenith of the utopian ideal and insists upon an absolute commitment to not compromising when it comes to compromise (it must be done because that is its truest nature). It locks in and finds its group identity.  </p>
<p>I’ve listened to Absolute II several times and am as fascinated by the II, begging both a I and a III, perhaps equally, and therefore standing in some transitional space between two non-existent constants. But I don’t hear its structure or its absoluteness. Am I—who usually consider myself a patient attender—too impatient to apprehend continental drift while being overly enamored with the movements of insects? To cut myself some slack, though, I love the glacial shifts in Morton Feldman’s long compositions as much as I’m drawn to Orthrelm’s ten-second shreddings. They feel like the same thing to me (whether coarse-grained or fine-grained). I’m not convinced Oneida hasn’t turned its disciplined back on the intricacies of structure and gone the easier route of John Cage-like freedom from form&#8230; </p>
<p>Perhaps Godspeed You! Black Emperor also deserves a mention when speaking of rock utopian collectives? And I second Harry&#8217;s comment regarding the Deleuze quote. </p>
<p>By the way, speaking of love, whenever you write about something you love, say, music, your measure approaches that of Thomas Mann’s to me, and I’m reminded of your once saying (about The Magic Mountain) that you never wanted it to end. I feel this about “Sheets of Easter” and the ascending fellowship in Coltrane’s &#8220;Ascension&#8221;—I also feel this about the very best of your work (e.g. “The Ineluctable Modality of the Vaginal”). In other words, you need to write another essay, this one beginning with Appendix Two and moving onward to speak of feminine apostleship. This strikes me as yours to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 20:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was in Santa Cruz during December and visited an exhibit at the McHenry Library at U.C.S.C. (my father-in law is a founding vice-chancellor) of some items from the Grateful Dead Archives now housed permanently at the university. It is a research center of sorts that has everything you could imagine from the Dead&#039;s journey. I spoke with the archivist and he said fans keep bringing more items in on a regular basis. Seems like that utopia is still thriving for a band that stopped playing 17 years ago. Then there is the film &quot;Cocksucker Blues&quot; which is excellent doucument at getting to the marrow of what a rock band is and it&#039;s seperation from the masses. A Rolling Stones archive held at a university some day? Polar opposites. Funny thing about Oneida...I&#039;ve got that name brand pots and pans, and I thought ahhh...Oneida pot = Pot or pan = Pan...(guess that&#039;s stretching it a bit, yuk-yuk). N.Y.C. minimalism... I worked as an in town roadie for Steve Reich (1980-81) and got to sit in on the concerts...and I always thought of it as Maximalism, for what that is worth. That&#039;s a great quote you used by Deleuze which can explain anything from churchs being destroyed by tornados to the T.V. show American Idol. And the noise factor---I was at a Kitchen preformance in 1979 with Paula Cooper and Elizabeth Murray, I think it was a noise/ feedback piece by a guy nick named the Wolfman (or maybe that was the title of the work?) where he put a mic in his mouth and drove us out of the building (I think many stayed for the punishment), and it was so physical, so anti music. But now I live on the Gulf Coast, and have seen another type oftime streach...Trombone Shorty does an incredible held single note (over a roaring rock backdrop) with circular breathing for minutes, after which he collapsed on stage (saw the band twice this year). Fat Tues. we saw George Porter Jr. (of The Meters) and his Running Partners, where a whole sense of family came into play---the lead vocalist sang while holding her 5 year old daughter on hip..... speaking of utopias. I have been writing along as reading through your piece as well as doing 2 loads of wash--hope I&#039;m not too disjointed in my rambling. I&#039;m looking out for A List of the Burning Mountains.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Santa Cruz during December and visited an exhibit at the McHenry Library at U.C.S.C. (my father-in law is a founding vice-chancellor) of some items from the Grateful Dead Archives now housed permanently at the university. It is a research center of sorts that has everything you could imagine from the Dead&#8217;s journey. I spoke with the archivist and he said fans keep bringing more items in on a regular basis. Seems like that utopia is still thriving for a band that stopped playing 17 years ago. Then there is the film &#8220;Cocksucker Blues&#8221; which is excellent doucument at getting to the marrow of what a rock band is and it&#8217;s seperation from the masses. A Rolling Stones archive held at a university some day? Polar opposites. Funny thing about Oneida&#8230;I&#8217;ve got that name brand pots and pans, and I thought ahhh&#8230;Oneida pot = Pot or pan = Pan&#8230;(guess that&#8217;s stretching it a bit, yuk-yuk). N.Y.C. minimalism&#8230; I worked as an in town roadie for Steve Reich (1980-81) and got to sit in on the concerts&#8230;and I always thought of it as Maximalism, for what that is worth. That&#8217;s a great quote you used by Deleuze which can explain anything from churchs being destroyed by tornados to the T.V. show American Idol. And the noise factor&#8212;I was at a Kitchen preformance in 1979 with Paula Cooper and Elizabeth Murray, I think it was a noise/ feedback piece by a guy nick named the Wolfman (or maybe that was the title of the work?) where he put a mic in his mouth and drove us out of the building (I think many stayed for the punishment), and it was so physical, so anti music. But now I live on the Gulf Coast, and have seen another type oftime streach&#8230;Trombone Shorty does an incredible held single note (over a roaring rock backdrop) with circular breathing for minutes, after which he collapsed on stage (saw the band twice this year). Fat Tues. we saw George Porter Jr. (of The Meters) and his Running Partners, where a whole sense of family came into play&#8212;the lead vocalist sang while holding her 5 year old daughter on hip&#8230;.. speaking of utopias. I have been writing along as reading through your piece as well as doing 2 loads of wash&#8211;hope I&#8217;m not too disjointed in my rambling. I&#8217;m looking out for A List of the Burning Mountains.</p>
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